tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52599562934143678692024-03-07T21:22:51.507-08:002048 ProjectMarc Finehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02997848107847224778noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5259956293414367869.post-91129067261757975972008-11-25T17:07:00.000-08:002008-11-25T17:10:12.417-08:00Women's Issues<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-language: EN-US;mso-bidi-language:AR-SA">The 2048 Project has goals very much in line with <a href="http://www.momsrising.org/">www.momsrising.org</a> and other grass roots movements: to effect social change by bringing together people from all walks of life who share the common goal of creating a just society. Women’s rights are a key component of the International Agreement we envision. There is a section in the research portion of the 2048 website devoted to these topics.</span>Marc Finehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02997848107847224778noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5259956293414367869.post-17585965932809265882008-10-24T18:50:00.001-07:002008-10-24T18:53:05.096-07:00Youtube videoKirk made this video to support a grant application to Google.<div><br /></div><div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adtIRDGpkuQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adtIRDGpkuQ</a><br /></div>Marc Finehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02997848107847224778noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5259956293414367869.post-67091587953743444642008-10-08T11:25:00.000-07:002008-10-08T11:28:21.156-07:00Welcome Berkeley Rotary ClubGreetings Berkeley Rotary Club,<br /><br />We welcome you to our 2048 Project and thank you for the opportunity to make a presentation at your lunch meeting on October 8, 2008. We look forward to your thinking and comments.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />Kirk BoydMemberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15882118037077851834noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5259956293414367869.post-75772543045573735192008-09-26T11:38:00.000-07:002008-10-01T21:37:01.962-07:00Musings on a rainy day<p class="MsoNormal"></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:arial;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;">Welcome, 2048 Bloggers. We’re kicking off this blog with a series of notes in response to the question: is it possible to effect change through law? We invite your comments on this topic, and any other that relates to 2048 and international human rights and the law.</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>-------------- -----------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">From: Marc Fine, 2048 Project Manager,<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>9/22/08<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">Dear friends and colleagues:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">I’ve been doing a lot of reading (historical, background of </span><st1:place><span style=" mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">League Of Nations</span></st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">, U.N., foreign policy, etc), and have been stumped by this dilemma: How can meaningful change occur? Here is why I think progress is so difficult and frustrating:<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> There are the purists, who insist that what ever structure/law/policy is proposed must be the optimal, best solution. There should be no compromises, because this would equal failure, and would be an immoral cop-out. Even if the proposal has no chance of being accepted, it is better to be right than successful in this regard.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Examples: Voting for Ralph Nader; almost anything the Berkeley City Council Proposes, usually the first draft of anything. Nothing ever happens, because there is no buy-in. The “beautiful losers” syndrome.</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> <span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">Then, there are the “realists”, the realpolitik folks who believe that a good bill, or candidate, while not perfect, is better than no bill/candidate/policy at all.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Examples: </span><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">League of Nations</span></st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">, The U.N. charter, Universal Declaration of Human Rights, NAFTA, most treaties, etc. These have all fallen short of expectations, and failed, to a great extent, to create the results hoped for.</span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><o:p> I welcome your insights. This whole thing has put me in a funk.</o:p></span></p><div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-bottom-alt: solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><o:p> From: Kirk Boyd, 2048 Executive Director, 9/22/08</o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-bottom-alt: solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none; border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0in; mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><span style="color:windowtext;">There's a middle path and it was taken by the inter crime court--you draft what is optimum then something less is approved. Don't be in a funk. We're the catalyst!</span><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><o:p> <span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">From: Steve Gordon (attorney and history maven), </span><st1:date year="2008" day="23" month="9"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">9/23/08</span></st1:date></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">In my experience, meaningful change comes from within. I can't resolve <span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">your issues and you can't resolve mine. The </span><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning: 0pt;color:windowtext;">League of Nations</span></st1:place><span style=" mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"> (which did not <span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">include the </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">USA</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"> or the </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">USSR</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">) may not have been a good idea (what's the point of a powerless organization of some, but not all, of the world's powerful nations?) and took no effective steps to prevent World War II. The United Nations, which at least has the virtue of being more inclusive, hasn't stopped very much of the bloodshed that has occurred since WWII. If you are waiting for national or even local leaders to solve any significant problems, you will be waiting a long time. Come to think of it, we have been waiting a long time. Change yourself and change your world!</span></span></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none">-----------------------------------------------------------------</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><o:p> From: Kirk Boyd 9/23/08</o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Steve,</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> <span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">I wish you well and change inside is a good place to start -- it's <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>worthwhile, but my answer is the same that I have been saying to the people I've been meeting at the (SNAP) conference here at </span><st1:city><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">Boulder</span></st1:place></st1:city><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">. It's a good start, but not a finish. Law is the finish. It's reached the point now where our personal change, whether it's driving a Prius, or starting a non profit to give kids better milk, is not going to do the trick. In fact, thinking that it's enough, which I'm not sure you do, distracts us from doing what needs to be done, change our agreement (law) about how we will live together, including the amount of degradation to the environment we will allow anyone to do.</span></span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes">Don't be offended. A few people were tonight, but most, including the Leaders of this gathering, get the idea.</span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none">--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast- mso-font-kerning:0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:windowtext;"><o:p>From: Kirk Boyd, 9/23</o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-bottom-alt: solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><span style="mso-fareast-mso-font-kerning:0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:windowtext;">Good thoughts. Steve's right and that's why I don't eat red meat and drive a Prius, and often ride a bike. Hopefully 2048 will build a bridge with these thoughts as you have in your comments.</span></p></div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast- mso-font-kerning:0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:windowtext;">From: Jessica Trupin, </span><span style=" mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">(community activist) </span><span style="mso-fareast-mso-font-kerning:0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:windowtext;">9/23<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-bottom-alt: solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><span style="mso-fareast-mso-font-kerning:0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:windowtext;">Haha!<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I eat meat almost every day and drive a 20 year old Volvo.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>But it’s <i>local</i> meat from the <i>farmers’ </i>market.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Lord, the hairs we split!</span></p></div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">From: Jessica Trupin, 9/23<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast- mso-font-kerning:0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:windowtext;">I think you’re both buying into an old fallacy – that there’s <i>one </i>place where change has to happen.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>It has to happen on all levels and it must be constantly cared for and maintained.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Steve, you’re absolutely right.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>If we as individuals don’t empower ourselves by constantly learning and living lives where we make our choices out of love instead of out of fear (which I see more often than I care to share) then we can only hope to make a faint, occasional impact on the world.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>But Kirk, you are totally right as well.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>By working at the macro level of laws, we both craft the framework and touchstone by which we all live <i>and </i>we send a message to others about what we value.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Without the laws that we agree on (and the pathways to change those laws as our societies change) we can’t move our societies forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast- mso-font-kerning:0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:windowtext;"><o:p> But the law <i>isn’t</i> the finish.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>We still need education and ethical/moral guidance.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>What good is the law if no one knows it or can read it or engage in it?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>The law is a living thing (as I’m trying to teach my daughter) – it’s the embodiment of the continual work of people who think about actions in a different way than the average person.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>But it’s imperative that children (and unfortunately, a lot of adults) learn the critical thinking skills necessary to read, understand, interpret and debate the laws because – see above – it’s a living thing that governs all of our actions and guarantees our freedom.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Or maybe I just spent a bit too much time at temple this weekend.</o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast- mso-font-kerning:0pt;font-family:SimSun;color:windowtext;"><o:p> There’s never one simple answer.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>We can argue and argue it, but we can only hope to fall into the camp that can best use our passion, whether it’s individual action, local, state or federal, international NGO, direct action, theatrical direct action (see:<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Nickelsville), international law, culture, education - and the best thing we can do is to understand that all of these forms weave together and we should understand, not denigrate, any of them.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>And always remember that the end of law is punishment for the transgressors.</o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><o:p> From: Marc Fine, 9/24</o:p></span></p> <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-bottom-alt: solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in"><span style=" mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">I love this conversation. I finally feel grounded. It’s the “middle path” plus Tikkun (healing, repairing, mending the world) that I love.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><o:p>From: Steve Gordon, 9/25</o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Hi Kirk, As someone with a lifelong interest in history who (sort of) sees law from the "inside", I'm not as enthralled as you are by the possibilities of meaningful change through law. Just one example (I could give lots more): Since the Nuremburg war crimes trials following WWII, it has been"international law" that starting wars and mass murder of civilians are illegal activities subject to punishment. Enforcement of that "law" has been hit or miss. The "little guys" (e.g., </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">Serbia</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">, Saddam, etc. get punished. Who punished the </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span style=" mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">USSR</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>for invading </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">Hungary</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"> in 1956, </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">Czechoslovakia</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"> in 1968 and </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">Afghanistan</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"> in 1979 or Soviet war crimes against Germans and non-Communist Eastern Europeans after WW2? <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Who has punished the </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">USA</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"> for starting wars against </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">Iraq</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"> and other nations or for war crimes against Vietnamese, Iraqis, and other people? Who punished the Chinese Communists for the "liquidation of the landlord class"? Winners punish losers, same as always. Law is bullshit Kirk. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> Nothing will change until people change. Changing ourselves is a lot harder than passing a law. Laws are to make other people do things "the right way"(as if some legislative body or dictator knows what is right for you). Most of us interpret at least some laws differently for other people than we do for ourselves. I do that sometimes. This is true of nations as well as individual people. (See the sporadic enforcement of the international "law" against genocide). We as Americans have way more laws on the books than we had 100 years ago (you'd be surprised how few laws there were in 1908). Has it made us better people? Has it reduced violence? Has it made us a less toxic society? No, no and no. The essence of law (local, national or international) is to make life more secure for the ruling classes, not the best interests of the local, national or international community. Waiting for leaders to solve problems by making new laws is an exercise in futility. We have lots of laws and none of them have improved us in meaningful ways. It's time to give up pretending that we can change other people through law. The place to start change is inside ourselves. The place to finish is not more laws, but helping other people change inside too. Law isn't the answer because it doesn't ask the right question. Law asks "how can we make other people do the right thing"? The question that leads to change is "how can we change ourselves and others so we can create a better world"?</span></span></p> <div style="border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom: solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-right:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .75pt; mso-border-bottom-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:1.0pt 0in 1.0pt 0in"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none; border:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;mso-border-bottom-alt: solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 0in 1.0pt 0in"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><o:p> From: Marc Fine, 9/25</o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none; border:none;mso-border-top-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;mso-border-bottom-alt: solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:1.0pt 0in 1.0pt 0in"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">I appreciate this conversation. I never quite understood the point of the law...ten commandments, Talmud, up to present time, until I started diving into this project. I agree, to some extent, with you, Steve. Especially when I'm in one of my cynical moods. But, as a pathologic optimist, I prefer to plunge ahead. The more I study the human rights literature and movements, the more I appreciate what a grand effort it is. As someone once said: It's a game worth playing. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><o:p>From: <span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">Jessica Trupin, </span><st1:date month="9" day="25" year="2008"><span style="mso-font-kerning: 0pt;color:windowtext;">9/25/08</span></st1:date></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">I'm not going to address international law, because it's so varied.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>But think about it this way:<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>women are now considered full citizens in the </span><st1:country-region><st1:place><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">United States</span></st1:place></st1:country-region><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"> (at least the lower 48) in a way that they weren't 100 years ago.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>There is now a legal basis upon which a woman can stand when prosecuting her husband of rape - an option that didn't exist, because the laws didn't exist, 100 years ago.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Do more laws make a less toxic society?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Here's my MPA answer again:<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>it depends.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>But what the hell's a non-toxic society?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>What does it look like and where do laws and the enforcement of those laws fit in to it?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>More laws do nothing - selective enforcement of laws can itself be criminal.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>But a new law can be an expression of justice that enough of us agree on.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><o:p> Again, I think that the framework of the law rolls along slowly, moving us all forward or backward.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Yes, we're starting to have laws against same-sex marriage.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>So there's the backward.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>But there's a field on which this can be played out that doesn't involve sword-fighting or carpet-bombing.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>That's the forward.</o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;"><o:p> As for international law, call me when they've got Kissinger in the dock.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I lean towards your interpretation, Steve, that it's written and pursued by the winner.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>What would it mean to have it written and pursued by all?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Kirk?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I much prefer a legalistic society, because I'm small, female and wouldn't survive for three minutes in an anarchist society.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style="mso-font-kerning:0pt;color:windowtext;">Again, I push for the “one can't live without the other” school of thought.<br /></span></p><p></p>Marc Finehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02997848107847224778noreply@blogger.com2